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Post by derogatory1 on Feb 7, 2011 23:20:46 GMT -5
Hello everyone. I am derogatory1. These are my field reports.
Background:
Im 25, fit, 5,10.5, been in a couple long relationships. Last one ended about 3 months ago and stung. I go into pickup about 9 months ago, and been going hardcore action styles since the breakup.
Last saturday, a bunch of my friends and I do dinner and bottle service for my friends birthday. These are my university friends who I see a few times a year but we are all tight and raelly good friends. One thing directly working against us is that we are TEN guys and ONE girl hahahahah. For dinner it wasnt so bad but when we got the bottle service I could not stop laughing just looking at the scene.
The one girl actually LEAVES and now we are just 10 guys at the table. None of them had any balls to approach any chick all night. I think late one of the guys started chatting to some chicks, but only in drunken, end of the night, wats up, state. None of these guys are actively trying to make anything happen nor did for the whole night. As every minute passes it gets worse and worse and more funny to me. By now its 1230am and we just got our bottles delivered so we start pounding back the drinks.
I see my warmup 2 set and I tell my boy to wing , hes like 'nah u go' pfff. Im like fuck this. I open and it hooks. I eject after 10 min or so. Shes into me, but im just getting started. She was not hot.
I go back to my boy and hes like "watd u say. " I start telling him it doesnt matter what I said, I just talked shit mostly but since I was into it, SHE was into it.
Once the warmup was out of the way, I kept opening every set I ran into. I walked to the bar and opened a blond. Shes nice, we make a connection on music. She has a realy hot friend who i try to incorporate into the convo but my chick seems realy into me and the other 2 friends bounce. Im now left with the blondie and shes going all interview mode on me. I eject, its still too early. But as I kept ejecting from potential DTF girls I was telling myself "yea, you shuold open other hotties, but maybe you should also actually PULL tonight fuckhead." But whatever its still early and these girls arent going anywhere.
I see a cute girl and for some stupid fucking reason I did not approach. She was giving me serious i wana fuck you eyes. Im an idiot. She later left witih some dood and on the way out made a point to come up to me and say goodbye. Cunt.
I walk up to a two set of hottness. Open with random shit about her drink. Shes all into it, we vibe, but they eject. I have trouble hooking the hotter girls. I dont know what it is but its pissing me off.
im back to our table and see a chick looking at our table. I wave to her, and wave her to come here. She comes, she speaks only french, is 29, and is a family therapist. 100% DTF. She has two friends with her. Again I could have/ should have settled here perhaps and just hooked them for the rest of the night. But I eject, or make them eject, since they were at our table. I just stopped talking and they got the point.
I see another three set, with a tall brunette with huge tits. They are at the bar, I approach and open with some random shit about her drink again. it hooks, shes flirty. This is the one I tell myself. I do some kino, vibe etc. Then eject, hoping to come back and also make her want it more. But after ejecting, I opened some other HOT euro broads who were real bitchy and gave me 0 vibe. I hate this shit. I cant get any real hotness to give me some goodness.
TIme is passing and we're near the end of the night. The three set with HBtits is next to our table and she says to me "what hapend you just left me like that?"
"what are you talking about dont be crazy"
"im not but you left me"
"well i aint letting go of you now. we had to settle the bill and shit. where are you going after this?"
"duno theres some after party. but my friend has to drive me to my car"
"nono no youre all coming to our after party at my friends place"
I was doing some hard kino but she was resisting , kept pushing me back. I kept pulling her in, kissed her cheek. For some fucking reason tho, she got all creeped out and went back to her friends. Theres something fucking wrong here. I wasnt calibrated I guess? This girl was into it but as soon as i try to escalate, she got creepd out. I go back to her after a few min and her friend is like barricading her from me. I laugh and just do my own thing. She left without saying bye or anything.
At the end of the night, we do our usual loafting outside the club, drunk, talking to whomever at this point. There always the single chick watiing for a ride or cab or something. But now my game is off. I am dissappointd with what transpired. Yea i can open no problem. I probably spoke to 15 girls or more. All decent interactions, some better that hooked, others OK that were neutral, and raelly 0 blowouts, but more of talking for a couple minutes then them just ejecting.
But my major STICKING POINTs, and I would raelly love some feedback here, is that:
1) I cant seem to escalate with calibration. Maybe im coming off too much as the "good guy" and then once I try to get sexual it just looks off. But the reason Im trying to establish genuine connections first is so that thers actually some grounds to work on. Maybe im not reading the chicks just right yet. i dont know but its frustrating. Altho I have to say I didnt try hard enough for a pull when I had my chance, because I knew there were at least 2 DTFs that i bailed on.
2) I cant hook hotter broads. They give me 3, 5 minutes, and then eject. I dont know what it is. Maybe im not showing enough DHV or not feeling enough of it.
Overall it was a fun fucking night. Im getting better at this shit but long ways to go. MY friends afterwards are like "yooo youre so good blabablala " but really they have no clue how much i have to do still. I cant even begin to imagine how chode their thought processes are.
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Post by MassiveRay on Feb 8, 2011 9:22:10 GMT -5
PICS PICS PICS!!!
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Post by MassiveRay on Feb 8, 2011 11:09:19 GMT -5
Good shit, blondie is hot.
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Post by derogatory1 on Feb 8, 2011 11:19:25 GMT -5
yea ive known her for years actually. weve gone on dates before, makeouts, but nothing more.
havent seen her in couple years but have been texting her randomly
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Post by MassiveRay on Feb 8, 2011 14:40:12 GMT -5
1) I cant seem to escalate with calibration. Maybe im coming off too much as the "good guy" and then once I try to get sexual it just looks off. But the reason Im trying to establish genuine connections first is so that thers actually some grounds to work on. Maybe im not reading the chicks just right yet. i dont know but its frustrating. Altho I have to say I didnt try hard enough for a pull when I had my chance, because I knew there were at least 2 DTFs that i bailed on. 2) I cant hook hotter broads. They give me 3, 5 minutes, and then eject. I dont know what it is. Maybe im not showing enough DHV or not feeling enough of it. 1) This stuff will come with time, stop trying to be somebody else, just because you read, "yo go hard kino kino KINOOOOO!" doesn't mean it is right for you, try some different shit out and see what works for YOU! 2) Hooking hotter girls is a different game to uglier ones. It is not necessarily harder, just different. A lot of it is to do with trying to impress her, a lot of guys go up to them and give them lots of validation, buy them drinks etc What you need to do is spike their attraction a little (do some basic DHV shit) and then STOP! just stop talking, they will be like "oh where has my attention gone" and seek to get it back. The caveat of this is that if she fills the silence, in her brain it reads: I am investing in this guy, I must like him. MASSIVE (monster maker) Ray
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Post by derogatory1 on Feb 13, 2011 12:59:47 GMT -5
FR Friday night.
We hit a place we never been before. Its a club vibe but alot of space and area to walk around. Lots of chicks.
Im stone sober when we arrive at aroud 1030pm. Hit the bar and start drinking. We fucking walk around for more than an hour before I get my warmups out the way. For some reason I had alot more AA than previous nights. I open with silly shit and nothing hooks.
I see a cute girl next to me amid the dance floor madness and open with some shit that I cant remember, but it hooks. I talk about random shit then go back to my friends for a sec. Shes about 3 feet away from me and as I just bought an ice cold beer, I place the beer on her ass for a good 5 seconds. She looks at me and smirks. I go up and start rubbing her ass telling her that it will make it feel warm. She does nothing to stop me. But after this I didnt know how to up the sexual tension even more. i said
"youre sexy as fuck"
and shes like "thanks".
And then i said "that wasnt a compliment" for some reason.
And shes like "well then what is".
I dont know what happened after but I probly reverted back to some random chode shit and lost her.
We walk around and around and get blown out mostly. This HOT girl and her friend walk right in front of me.
I grab her and say "youre sexy as fuck".
she smiles and gives me 1minute. During this minute i asked where she was from. another chode question. She tels me and I high five them. I tried kino and shit on her but she bolted. I kinda followed them for a minute but they kept looking back and once they saw me they just kept moving lol it was sadly hilarious.
After this I felt pretty crappy. Tried some other random shit that didnt work. But I was raelly in my head this night. I couldnt think of shit to say when i was talking to girls. That in itself is wrong. I shouldnt have to think of anything to say it should just be flowing.
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Post by derogatory1 on Feb 13, 2011 13:11:44 GMT -5
FR Saturday night.
We get to the place late because I was playing poker all day.
As soon as we get in, I see a hot girl with a really nice set of tits. She eye fucks me. Cool.
We wander around for a few minutes, get some drinks.
My vibe tonight is alot better than last night. I care less about pickup, interactions, women etc because I have been winning some money playing poker. i was in debt for months and being fucked with money subconsciously makes you feel less confident. Now im completely debt free and have alot of extra cash.
Anwyays this same chick comes wandering in front of me again and im like
"whats your deal you just wander aroud this place? are you the wanderer?"
"ahahah yea i guess." shes all smiley and giggly. I say some random shit, but my demeanor is cool, calm. I then say nothing and just kinda look at her with a slight smile. (credit Monster Maker Ray)
her "do you wanna dance?"
so i grab her hand and we start dancing. Im doing my own thing and just having a great time, yelling and screaming and shit. shes loving it, all smiles and giggly. Were close in proximity, touchy, feely, she turns and grinds on me.
Thing is I didnt know what to say verbally to up any kind of attraction. I was just doing it with body language, kino etc. After 10 min shes like
"i have to find my sister"
I say ok and she leaves the Dfloor but grabs my hand and leads me with her. This is kinda awkward because I know im the one who should be leading. She circles around the whole club and im following her like a douche. We're not holding hands anymore but she keeps looking back to see if im there. At one point I grabbed her hand to try to lead her back but she didnt squeeze of even grip my hand at all. I lose her in the midst of this and im just back with my friends chatting up some other chicks.
This place really sucked in terms of hot chicks. So i try to get my target back. While im on the floor she walks right by me and looks at me, doesnt say shit and walks right by me. I grabbed her but she kept walking. Weird.
An hour later shes back on the floor and I grab her and this time shes all over me. More touchy dancy feely grinding. I tell her she has a hot body. She says "i know".
I think I shoudlve definately gone for a makeout or said some shit like "i wana fuck you like you never been fucked before" but at the time it didnt feel like it would fly.
Her ass is grinding on me and I place my hands close to her pussy and she moves them away. I think this creeped her out for some FUCKED UP reason. a minute later shes like "il b back" , and bounces, never to be seen again.
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Post by bo on Feb 13, 2011 15:32:42 GMT -5
duuuuuuuuuude she was WAITING FOR U TO DO SOMETHING
she thought u were boring/not attracted to her because you didnt do jack shit thats why she went looking for her 'sister'. she gave u a 2nd chance and u mess up again
atleast thats what it sounds like to me. u should just have turned her around and try to make out.. i know everyone has got his own style but if u dont do anything the girl is going to walk away. simple.
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Post by derogatory1 on Feb 13, 2011 23:44:31 GMT -5
you are probly right . i think i have too many PU concepts in my head and im trying to rationalize every little thing instead of just acting. like im sure if this happened a year ago i woulda probly just made out with her but this time i was like "hmm i cant make out with her yet cuz i havent done this or that yet, or she needs to earn it more" etc etc basically stupid fucking shit
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Post by MassiveRay on Feb 14, 2011 11:51:23 GMT -5
Stop putting so much pressure on yourself to "succeed", you don't have to pull every time you go out.
You're doing well with opening and from your body language it seems like you have taken a lot on board. Let it be what it is "progress" you will get gradually better and then one day it'll just be like "oh I just fucked that girl, how did I do it? I did this and this and this but didn't even think about it"
Probably should have manned up and gave dance floor girl a tongue down though. Don't be afraid to take what you want.
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Post by derogatory1 on Feb 28, 2011 11:21:33 GMT -5
FR Thursday night.
Head to a popular club on thursdays. Me and 1 wing. We get there quite early and it is pretty empty inside. As we walk in I see two set of hot blondies at the bar. I wanted to open them right away but didnt. A few min later we see them join their friends (3 guys).
My wing and I head to the other side of the bar and order drinks. We chat with the bartender who is a cool guy. He tells us hes been in the industry for 10 years and is very sick of it. As we are chatting with him, the 5 set from earlier comes and sits on the couches behind the bar where im standing. Then one of the blondies and a guy friend come and order a drink right next to me.
As im talking to the bartender she opens me "these drinks are so expensive" I say yea i know and we start a 2 min convo. Then her guy friend leaves and she starts walking away as well. I say something else to her i dont remember waht but it hooked and she comes on the other side of me and we engage in a 10 min convo. She tells me shes only here for a few days and has a hotel but her friends are leaving on monday and shes gona be alone until tuesday.
To make a long story short, I failed to escalate at all. I was playing it cool thinking it was subtle attraction going on and I would make a move later. I feel retarded writing this up as Im sure I could have been fucking her brains out tonite in her hotel room. She was HOT AS FUCK.
When I went up to her later, it was basically the same vibe as before, just friendly interview type shit, some playful shit, but I coudlnt pull the sexual trigger. Then one last time later I ran into her on the Dfloor and said "lets dance" and shes like "il brb". Gay. fuck. fags.
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Post by derogatory1 on Feb 28, 2011 11:47:05 GMT -5
FR Friday night.
Head to a new place. Same wing as last nite. We get there early again. I like getting to venues early. Gives you a chance to establish yourself with some hotties that are there early too and plant seeds for later.
This place is fucking MONEY. Hot girls everywhere. I am sober and have too much AA. Cant even get the warmups out of the way. I hate relying on alcohol but I think at my level maybe I should just get hammered alot of the times. I can handle myself pretty good when im drunk.
As the night progresses I end up opening some hot chick with "do u wana get tatoos?" because the place we were at allows you to get a tatoo while there. It hooks and shes all into it and i tell her we're gona get married and have matching tatoos. (credit Two Step) It works and shes all into it but Im a faggot and could not physically match my verbal escalation. I just choded around her and didnt make a move.
I see her later and open again and it hooks AGAIN and i failed AGAIN to make my move. This time tho her fat friend pulled her away and I didnt know how to prevent the cockblock or just follow them or what to do exactly. She was leaving the interactino whitout really wanting to leave and I could tell. It mightve been a test to see how bad I want her but I never care enough to pursue. Later she was with a guy who was all over her and vice versa and they exchanged numbers at the end.
At one point I got up on the stage and just started dancing wildly on my own. this HOT girl that is exactly my type comes up with her friend and dances. I open with "doesnt it feel like were performing up here?" she responds well but then I tell her friend "youre taller than me" and i dont think her friend liked it. She pulls the hottie away. I wanted to go back to my hottie but I didnt man up. I hate those situations.
Im realising more and more that my main problem is simply fearing failure and not wanting to look stupid or getting rejected. I care too much about protecting my image, which is not any image at all. But this also ties into the fact that sometimes I just have no idea what to open with or say to these chicks. So i get in my head often cuz im often thinking about a good opener or what to say after the opener.
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Post by bo on Feb 28, 2011 15:10:17 GMT -5
good reports. you managed to determine your main weakness which is fearing failure. This is absolutely normal as most guys have this. No one wants to get rejected, duh. I have it too, but since i got into this pick up stuff a month ago I have improved a lot and now I don't really care about rejection anymore. Just think of it like this: Nothing ventured, nothing gained. If you don't approach you are certain of one thing: and that is your not going to wake up next to her tomorrow. If you DO, however, only good things can happen. a) You get rejected. this doesn't matter as this is a learning progress through trial and error. The more you get rejected the more you learn about yourself. You will learn what women like about you and don't like about you. Use this! b) You don't get rejected. win! Edit: A short example of a test I have done. I serve pizza's as a part-time job, and I tried opening up in different ways to people to maximise my chances of high tips! I'm quite certain I'm right about this as I have tested this on 50+ people. I found that if I exaggerate in tonality and enthousiasm the people react more cheerful and are more likely to tip high. Guess what. Same applies to opening up girls! If you open with a lot of enthousiasm and a big smile they will always appreciate this. Try it out for yourself, I would say This proves my point that it doesn't really matter what you say, but it's HOW you say it!
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Post by derogatory1 on Mar 5, 2011 11:23:47 GMT -5
A friend of mine (girl ) is in town with her sister. They come out with my wing and I. I feel on tonight. Havent gone out since last saturday and I feel my game progressing.
We roll in and there are some hunnies around. I am merely concerned tonight about having a fun vibe and keeping my tonality and body language proper, but still always looking to take action.
I chat up a couple girls to warmup. Im having a drink with my wing and just chatting with my two friends from out of town when my ex fb and her friend show up. i greet and indroduce and then go about my own thing.
Im jumping around dancing and shit and this small cute brown girl runs into me. I grab her and start dancing. Shes into it. Shes not extra hot but not ugly and definately worth a bang. hot body. i dance for a bit with her and escalate madly. Im feeling her up and grabbing her ass. She says some random shit that doesnt even register. I start rubbing her pussy and she takes my hand away. Two seconds later she starts rubbing my cock. at this point I am semi hard so to get myself off i say
"i wana undress you and fuck you in the middle of the dance floor in front of everyone"
she giggles and says 'no we cant do that'
i say why not and just joke around with it. i also said some shit that she was sexy as fuck. she continues to rub my dick and i try makeout but she resists. i just kiss her neck and face and pull her hair and shit. then im like fuck it. and i whip my dick out. i grab her hand and place it on and needless to say she freaked out.
she bounced and my thoughts were " cool i did the whip out your cock on the Dfloor thing"
i go back to the bar and two HOT chicks that i saw earlier walk by me. I stop them and open with some shit about why they are holding hands. It hooks but I cant seem to bring the same game to the hotties. I automatiically give myself lower value for some fucking reason. After probly 45 seconds, her hot friend tells me i look like a friend of hers. i ask her if this is a good or a bad thing. that question was probly gay as fuck. anwyasy they ejected right after. dam the hotties!!
i keep strolling around and my wing is chatting up some short broad and my other friends are being hit on but are noticing that im bouncing around.
I see a couple hotties walking around but I cant bring myself to open. still some AA and the fact that i cant seem to hook the hotties irritates me.
i go back to the floor and dance wildly and grab a waiter plate and start dancing with it like a fucking moron. this blondie seems to enjoy this and takes the plate from me and dances with it. i take it back and balance it on her head. im basically doing random shit without caring if it works or not and this seems to work well.
a few min later the blondie just grabs me and starts grinding on me. i dance with her for a bit and dont even remember wat i said but she was into it. again tho she is not the hottie i seek. but again she is worth a bang. but my attention to her is not focused. in the midst of this i see two hotties next to us. one of them is dancing with some dood and i can tell shes not into it. i just stand back and put my hand out and she grabs it and i pull her in yet she INSTANTLY takes my hands and removes them off her hips and backs away and goes back to her chode. WTF?
i dont kno what it is with the hot chicks if im somehow demonstrating lower value all the time or what but that perplexed me. maybe i was too quick with the kino. i should vocalize more with the hotties perhaps. i dunno.
anyways i see the brown girl again but i dont even look at her and then i see my ex fukbuddy being hit on and i go chill with them for a bit. i could care less that shes being hit on i actually would like her to get some dick. but im also thinking i could slam her tonite. she must of said some shit to the guy who was hitting on her because he comes up to me and says ''your lukcy good catch man". im like wtf? i would never date this girl, only fuck her.
anyways the nite is almost done so we get our coats and go outside. outside the brown girl finds me and wants to rape me. i tell her i have no where to go so we have to go to her place. she says shes with friends etc etc. we exchange numbers. i escalate again, hand down her pants on her ass etc. my ex fb is watching all of this and hating it.
im sure i coudl have pushed for an alley fuck or car fuck but thats not what its about ,, yet. its about progress and im doing well
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Post by Two Step on Mar 8, 2011 21:11:59 GMT -5
look at you
you need to alley fuck though. Its invigorating
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